I don’t care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the “blue vs green bubble” drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn’t Android’s fault for not being compatible with it.

The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.

    •  masterspace   ( @masterspace@lemmy.ca ) English
      18•4 months ago

      OPs point is also that they’re exhausting. If you try and make a legitimate criticism of Apple’s monopolistic behaviour as a trillion dollar corporation, then you just get flamed by Apple fanboys.

      •  Elgenzay   ( @Elgenzay@lemmy.ml ) 
        19•4 months ago

        Depends why you made that criticism. I hate Apple as much as the next guy but the post makes it seem like the creator is the one who typically initiates a targeted and unwarranted attack at the user specifically (“…accuse him of supporting an evil…”) as soon as they see an iPhone in their hand and then gets mad when they retaliate

        •  natebluehooves   ( @natebluehooves@pawb.social ) 
          4•4 months ago

          Exactly. As an iphone user (and linux sysadmin, compartmentalization is not that hard), i agree with your criticisms of apple most of the time. They just make the better phone IMHO, and I say that as a nexus 4, nexus 6p, pixel XL, oneplus 7 pro, and oneplus 9 pro user. Yes i used custom roms, no I do not have the patience to treat my phone as a linux project anymore.

          I regularly have android users go out of their way to try and fight me over this, and they always claim I must not have used android. It’s annoying to field over and over.

  •  belated_frog_pants   ( @belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
    25•4 months ago

    Your phone privacy is owned by your isp and the OS maker. You arent doing the world any better being on android. Google is fucking awful too. Both are awful and should be broken up. They are way too large and powerful and only having 2 phone OSes in the world everyone runs made by 2 greeeeedy ass corporations is the problem neither of you can solve gloating about which evil corp you give money to to interact with modern society.

      •  BCsven   ( @BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 
        4•4 months ago

        Then you are hanging around with highschool kids that care what shoes you wear. I guaranty nobody working and living a proper life gives a shit on text bubble colours

        •  morrowind   ( @morrowind@lemmy.ml ) 
          4•4 months ago

          They’re kids and plus most of it is subconscious. None of them are mean or anything about it. I can assure if I was to ask them, they’d all say it’s totally fine and they don’t mind at all and they understand, but still they end up sending one less text because they have negative feelings associated with it and thus their brain brings it up a little less.

          Maybe nobody working gives a shit right now, but if this is how the kids are growing up, it’s gonna keep becoming a bigger problem

          •  BCsven   ( @BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 
            2•4 months ago

            Then that is an education issue. Part of our curriculum was decoding advertising and marketing used to manipulate consumers. it seems this has to be readded at schools.

        •  morrowind   ( @morrowind@lemmy.ml ) 
          12•4 months ago

          peers being frustrated because I have an android… being left out of group chats because people don’t wanna break their existing imessage groups… having to constantly bother people about not sending videos/images over text because they become a blurry mess… frequently apologizing just for having an android…

          And also a general awareness I’ve developed that I have been left out of things… harder to know because, well, I was left out.

          Mind you I am probably in the single worst location for this in terms of mindshare. By my unscientific observation, ~0.5% of students had an android at my school.

          •  xor   ( @xor@infosec.pub ) 
            4•4 months ago

            yeah, i was a poor kid in a rich school…
            i really don’t think it’s the phone…

            if it was 1860, you’d be excluded for have a subpar quill and ink…

      •  xor   ( @xor@infosec.pub ) 
        7•4 months ago

        it’s marketing thus seems more real than it is.

        there will always be kids who treat poor kids bad for not having the cool new expensive stuff…

        but that’s a classist problem, not limited to phones.

        see also: jeans, shoes, makeup, e-bikes, pokemon, everything else

        also, all the really cool kids use signal messenger and don’t use stock text messaging apps…

        •  qprimed   ( @qprimed@lemmy.ml ) English
          3•4 months ago

          oh, understood. just saying that the marketing of social shame has been strategically exended into the colour of your text bubble pixels… from the “think different” company.

          signal gets installed on every phone in my house, but the kids are drawn to where the other kids are and Apple snobbery is rife in the area I am in.

          •  xor   ( @xor@infosec.pub ) 
            2•4 months ago

            well your kids are really cool…

            i wonder how much is actually apple, and how much is standard classist kid stuff…

            there was a recent hydroflask craze with the kids around here… with kids chanting “sks” (sound at the end of hydroflasks)
            but, i think that’s just because they’re nicer quality and expensive…

            when i was a kid there was a big deal made about jean brands in my school…

            •  qprimed   ( @qprimed@lemmy.ml ) English
              2•4 months ago

              I would say the majority of it is just the usual human monkey brained reactionary garbage that our species has always dealt with. the concerning bit is how our own brains have been weaponized against us with untold amounts of money and time expended in learning how to manipulate enough of us to extract and realocate “value” from the many to the few.

              I think we are collectively building a benificial immune reaction to this invasion of our selves, but the attack is so pervasive and so persistent that it is, quite literally, mentally and physically debilitating - certainly by design. will we just exhaust ourselves into submission or change paths and try something that does not culminate in a species ending orgy of consumption and conflict? I have no idea, but very few of our possible futures look particularly hopeful to me at the moment.

              I do, however, try to hold on to some thread of optimisim - I need a reason to get up in the morning.

              I appreciate the dialogue, fellow internet denizen :-)

    •  Count Regal Inkwell   ( @VinesNFluff@pawb.social ) 
      3•4 months ago

      Yeah, defnitely not a thing in Brazil. We get rich idiots bragging about their iPhones, sure, but the text bubble thing never came over.

      … Broadly because we don’t. Text in Brazil. We use WhatsApp or Telegram.

      SMS/MMS was never really a thing here.

  •  kibiz0r   ( @kibiz0r@midwest.social ) English
    16•4 months ago

    There is plenty to criticize about Apple when it comes to anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices…

    But if you’re gonna talk on the level of “evil” and “freedom”, Apple’s greatest sin is their supply chain.

    And then there’s Google, whose evil I would place somewhere between [Apple’s] pseudo-monopoly and [Apple’s] pseudo-slavery. At least Apple is a tech company. Google is a surveillance company that just happens to make tech so they can monitor you more closely.

    Working with the shared-space AR APIs in iOS and Android really drove home the difference in their priorities. The iOS SDK only allowed us to share AR data through a local, SDK-managed connection. The data is opaque, can’t be directly serialized, and doesn’t work anyway if you try to persist/distribute it yourself. Android, on the other hand… They wanted us to upload your AR data to Google-owned servers, where they could do Google-knows-what with the scans of your living room.

    It’s sad that we’re at a point where you have to either pay for your privacy, or pay with your privacy. But we can at least not be naive about it. Android is more interoperable, more prolific, and more lenient with third-party code. And that’s because it’s a good strategy if you’re a surveillance giant. Not because it’s good for consumers.

    Edit:

    Got a couple of comments that are like “Um, actually, Apple is still subject to government surveillance and exploits”.

    Let me be clear: You should not expect any off-the-shelf product to shield you from intelligence agencies and state-sponsored hackers. You will have to radically change your life to accomplish that, and “Apple or Google?” won’t even be a relevant question for you.

    And I’m not saying Apple doesn’t do shady monitoring for their own commercial purposes.

    All I’m saying is that Google’s core business model is shady monitoring, and that directly influences their decisions regarding Android. So painting it as the commoner’s hero against the greedy walled-garden warden is a dangerous proposition.

    There are no good guys here.

    There’s some hardware, SDKs, and back-end services that you can evaluate on their own merits if you’re capable.

    But if you want to just look at business practices:

    • There’s one company that doesn’t want to integrate with anything outside of their own products – because that’s good for their bottom line.
    • And there’s one company that wants to integrate with anything and everything – because that’s good for their bottom line.

    Don’t assume the difference is benevolence.

  •  Player2   ( @Player2@lemm.ee ) 
    9•4 months ago

    They are all kind of terrible right now, at least for me. I hate what the big companies are doing, and the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren’t good enough yet. Guess I’ll try to make my existing one last for as long as possible, though that was already the plan.

      •  Player2   ( @Player2@lemm.ee ) 
        3•4 months ago

        Display, battery life, performance, supported bands, software reliability, camera quality, etc.

        I know I am one of those weirdos that asks for a lot from a mobile device, but I want something that can act as a high speed hotspot for 5 devices and a desktop environment at the same time, while playing back high resolution media and charging fast. This kind of thing has always been possible with Samsung’s flagship, but now every generation it feels like yet more is removed compared to the older one. I’m still on the S21U and while I’m not very happy with it, I haven’t seen anything better, including the new Samsungs.

        Maybe I should set my sights lower, but it just frustrates me because these are all things my S9+ could do in 2017.

      •  Zangoose   ( @Zangoose@lemmy.one ) 
        3•4 months ago

        Their 7 (?) years of software support is kind of misleading to me because they stop getting chip-level security updates after something like 3-4 years due to the specific Qualcomm chip they use. Not to mention the chip is on the slower side of today’s phones, let alone phones 7 years from now.

        I can see how others might be fine with that though, just my 2 cents.

  •  Shambles   ( @Shambles@beehaw.org ) 
    7•4 months ago

    I have used a number of android phones and iPhones, and I can say that the experience on an iPhone is vastly superior to anything android has to offer. Until that changes, this problem is going to continue.

    Companies can keep pumping out dogshit all they want and slapping a different coat of paint on it, at the end of the day it’s still dogshit.

    Someone needs to build an OS superior to apple’s that is designed exclusively and optimized for the hardware of the phone, and it seems unlikely that will ever happen. Also that fact in and of itself is the reason iPhones are and will always have a superior user experience than anything android has to offer.

    I would love to see something similar that is more secure, more privacy focused, and still has as good of a user experience as an iPhone, but this is an accessibility vs security problem.

    Apple has leveraged what they once touted as a safer option because they would look after the security part on behalf of the user and twisted it into a more sinister business model (or perhaps that was always the M.O.)

    •  butter   ( @butter@midwest.social ) English
      12•4 months ago

      Someone needs to build an OS superior to Apple?

      IOS is a very bad OS. I really took android for granted until I had to manage iPads for work. Short list: You can’t have a management app auto start. So if someone locks themselves out of their device without manually opening the management app, they’re screwed and need factory reset.

      Apps aren’t built to auto scale to device? I literally couldn’t believe my eyes the first time I tried to run an iPhone app on an iPad and it showed as phone sized screen in the middle of this iPad pro. Android is so well made that you can resize windows on the fly and most apps react just fine.

      Thank goodness we paid for an extremely expensive MDM solution, because there’s no way to install apps without making every single user make an Apple account.

      •  Shambles   ( @Shambles@beehaw.org ) 
        7•4 months ago

        I’m not saying it’s perfect, but the typical user experience is vastly superior to anything android has to offer. I’m also specifically referring to phone os. Not tablets. I really don’t like apple as a company, but user experience on apple vs android phones are like night and day.

        I work in IT for a school board and yeah, the support of iPads is straight shit, so I feel your pain.

        •  masterspace   ( @masterspace@lemmy.ca ) English
          9•4 months ago

          It’s really not.

          Even just how Apple handles apps. If I asked you which company would present their apps in a neat organized alphabetized list that you can quickly scroll or search through, and which company would just dump them all in a mass of garbage on your homescreen and make you search for them, you’d assume it would be Google that forces you to search, but nope, that’s Apple’s terrible UX for managing the most basic aspect of a smartphone.

      •  Shambles   ( @Shambles@beehaw.org ) 
        2•4 months ago

        If what I read is true that does sound promising, but still leaves consumers with a number of issues.

        You still need to support google to get this phone, (if part of the goal is to not support companies with questionable business practices) and while GrapheneOS does look promising I still have my doubts on the user experience.

        From what I have read I believe you would need to install this OS yourself on the device. That to me is more of a workaround than a solution.

        The typical user isn’t going to want to install a custom OS. This isn’t a product that is readily available to consumers to purchase through conventional means as far as I can tell. (I may be wrong on that, but it doesn’t appear that I could walk into a carrier store and purchase one ready to go).

        •  BCsven   ( @BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 
          2•4 months ago

          Yes, the Pixel has specific hardware and security which makes it ideal for a private/secure phone. So it is unfortunate that a purchase supports Google, however the pixels are cheap so I assume Google is taking a profit loss to gain market (and data).

          Graphene does have a web installer, so rather than the old days of connecting to a command shell and typing cryptic commands( for the average user) you connect your phone and click the web install buttons in order till you reach bottom of webpage. it gives you an instruction how to boot the phone into certain modes with volume and power buttons. While my mom isn’t going to work with this a 9-10 year old could do it.

          /e/ OS was selling preinstalled phones, I haven’t seen the same from GrapheneOS yet…but I have not checked in depth to see if somebody is offering this.

          Preinstalled is where it needs to get to though.

  •  I Cast Fist   ( @ICastFist@programming.dev ) 
    5•4 months ago

    My main beef with smartphones is how easy it is for OEMs to completely lock that piece of shit and make it impossible for anyone without lots of patience and a hacker mindset to get root permission to uninstall bloatware, or a custom rom. “Oh, but you can do that on phone XYZ!” - But you can’t with nearly every other phone