“God please let GTA 6 be a massive flop it would be so fucking funny.”
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The old Rockstar is dead. Ppl r gonna preorder GTA anyways and defend the company when they get a broken/unfinished product on day one, claiming it can be fixed in the future with updates. Look at cyberpunk 2077 and no mans land.
no mans sky still sucks. people saying its better now just feels like cope. like sure its better but that doesnt make it good.
Sadly true. I jump in every few years. Make a new character, do the run, do the new stuff, do the current season. It’s all still the same just with more.
CP2077 on the other hand did it. I never had an issue at launch like the loud groups did. But I appreciate the work, the qol updates, and the expansion. They did turn that game around … but again, I didn’t see the initial problems anyways …
You clearly didn’t make the mistake of getting it on PS4. Waiting a couple years and trying it on pc was entirely night and day
For Cyberpunk, I’m a pc player through and through. But I had friends with better hardware that encountered a lot of issues too. I guess I just got lucky. And I’m happy I did tbh. The game world (cyberpunk genre inclusive) means so much to me.
I didn’t have a great pc when it released, but man, they really shoulda nixed the PS4 version, it was not good lol. Either way I just started a new run the other day full reflex katana mode and it’s very fun, I’m just glad I gave it a second chance honestly
I’m glad you gave it another shot. It’s a good story with some great world building
And an superb expansion!
Its serviceable. A lot of it is shallow, finding new creatures, new planets often makes you see the same thing youve already seen with the details changed a bit. But some places genuinely felt special - Ive seen a worm the size of my frigate once, and only once. That’s the kind of weird shit I want in every exploration game. The story I expected to be an afterthought, but damn, its straight up pretty decent. Can’t speak for any of the people who supported the kickstarter, it really sucked for them and they have a right to not be satisfied, but I absolutely got a very enjoyable experience out of it. There are better games that I enjoyed much much less
I mean, it’s what they promised, and some more now. That’s just not a game for everyone. It’s a little bit of everything with none of it being well fleshed out because I don’t think they know how to do any one thing specifically well at all. But like, if you’re into that type of game it’s fine? If you’re not, well then of course you’re not gonna like it not every game is for everyone.
Really, really hoping Light No Fire turns out good. Really hoping. The reduced scope (one planet instead of a universe) might make it doable. This might also be wishful thinking on my part.
Sorry, but you’re out of your mind. No Man’s Sky is incredible now. It’s not just a matter of being better. It’s a matter of the game wasn’t anything cost to what they promised and now it’s gone far beyond that. The player numbers don’t lie, either.
I got my money’s worth out of it.
Because I didn’t pay for it, but still.
It’s a decent enough game for $free.50, assuming you like the sub genre.
I’ve tried a few times to buy I honestly can’t enjoy it. It’s so boring.
I love No Man’s Sky
it’s not for everyone but it definitely doesn’t suck. it gives me a feeling of wanderlust that no other game can (except maybe elite dangerous, but i don’t play that).
Look at two games that show games can indeed be fixed with updates?
A polished turd is still a turd.
They’re both very well received games and the two clearest examples of games actually get fixed properly after a disastrous release.
Well received by the niche audience that continued to play it. Never touched again by the majority of all the others.
I remember buying it and refunding it because of all the lies. Not even small lies. Massive lies that completely changed what the game was.
Recent reviews are good, but that’s this little thing called selection bias. As evidenced by many people in these comments they gave the game a second chance and it was still crap.
There have been indie games that have released something closer to the marketing lie NMS originally attempted to market.
I never played cyberpunk, but all I’ve ever heard about it was how boring and unoriginal the story was.
Celebrating them fixing something that should have been delayed when the end result is still boring really explains why the game industry is where it is.
You don’t know what “niche audience” means if you think these two games sold and are played by similar audiences as, say, Anno games.
You’ve also got selection bias twisted considering you’re using it to say a few comments in here must represent the truth because they say something you like.
What you heard about Cyberpunk must be from some real haters because, of all the things you could accuse about its story, boring and unoriginal are not it.
If anything here explains the state of anything, it’s how easily gamers will believe nonsense as long as it fits their preconceived notions and gets their anger up.
The few comments I’m talking about here represent the majority of players that refunded the game and never returned. That’s the majority. Then when updates came out, they either didn’t care (which is the correct response when a company lies) or they watched a video to learn about the updates and weren’t impressed.
The people buying into the game, which mind you is still not what they completely marketed it as, are just as much to blame as the people that buy shitty AAA games all the time and give these companies money so they can release more crap.
The company behind NMS are releasing a new game. There are just as many people that say “fuck that lying company” as there are people existed for the next batch of lies.
No man’s sky had a bit over 200k peak online players on release in 2016. Over 100k peak for the anniversary release in 2025 and constantly gets 10k players even now.
Cyberpunk got 274k peak online players for the release of 2.0 3 years after the original release and 60k daily players even now.
Those are great numbers for single player games so I don’t know what you’re on about.
Except 2077 was fixed. This won’t be.
Games can definitely be fixed post launch. Fallout New Vegas was a broken mess, but now it’s the most beloved 3D Fallout game and people don’t even bring it up in this conversation. With enough ambition, quality, and room to improve underneath the technical issues, games can and have been brought back from from being beta releases.
On the other hand, Rockstar’s schemes aren’t guaranteed to pay off. RDR2 had a well received single player, but the online mode was an absolute failure compared to GTA Online. Given how people have less disposable income and advanced gaming hardware, GTA 6 might be too much too late. I doubt it’ll be a flop, but I also doubt it’ll have the success of GTA 5.
I also don’t see it having the same relevance in a post culture war era. Even if it plays things relatively safe, it will still be seen as too woke by the right, and too capitalist coded by the left. The liberal center isn’t an all encompassing hegemon like it once was, and that’s really who the game is made for.
I think flop is impossible, but shitshow and disappointment? Now that seems pretty likely.
It costed many billions to build, so it has to sell a lot to make a profit.
Some games are successful with millions in sale, but that won’t be even close to GTA 6, so it can sell billions and still flop for them
Even if it sucks there’s gonna be enough whales playing their online mode.
Hasnt it already sold like a billion in preorders though?
No
Oh yeah estimated at only about 400 million currently. In preorders for a digital-only game.
Selling is easy, its continued playing that keeps the online alive, not sales. People online makes it worth playing, and theres not going to be a FiveM for VI
Allmost of the people who made GTA 5 are long gone. The game isn’t going to be edgy nor will it be pushing the envelope the way all their other games did. Its going to be safe and filled with inclusive dad jokes that suck the air out of the room… with character banter heavily inspired by wannabe MCU dialogue (which is also shit BTW but they emulate it because they want to be as successful as Marvel)E: I was being hyperbolic to make a point…
Dan Houser: the bigger loss by most accounts. Co-founder and lead writer on essentially every GTA since the series’ 1997 debut through GTA V, plus Red Dead Redemption 2, Bully, and Max Payne 3. He left in 2020, and has confirmed directly that he wrote none of GTA 6 “They’re always a new story. It’s not going to be a story I wrote or a character set that I developed.” He’s since said the sheer scale of GTA V and RDR2’s workload (450,000 lines of dialogue for RDR2 alone) burned him out before GTA 6 could even get going. He’s now running his own studio, Absurd Ventures.
Leslie Benzies: arguably even more central to the actual production side. He was producer on every GTA from GTA III onward and ran Rockstar North as president, credited by some as one of “the three people most directly responsible for the massive success of the Grand Theft Auto series,” alongside the Houser brothers. He left in 2016 amid a lawsuit over allegedly unpaid royalties, worth $150 million US, and disputes over who was ultimately responsible for the company’s success. He’s since founded Build A Rocket Boy (whose own game, MindsEye, launched poorly this year).
They still have Sam houser and their art director, and there are still veteran developers they aren’t all gone… I just think most of the mojo is gone from the company that has a game wide impact on its direction.
Rockstar has historically been very good about making relatable characters with good dialogue in gripping stories. They took 5 years to make rdr 2, which turned out to be good and now another 8 years for gta 6.
It’s definitely not a given that the game is gonna be good, but it might very well be a banger. Writing it off already is unfair, I think.
But still, don’t fucking preorder games
Historically all the people I’m talking about made those games and are now gone, which is my point. I unfortunately don’t have high hopes for their next game if their recent writing in GTA5 is any indication…
There is this YouTuber that is like crazy for the game, always talking about it, saying that’s going to be the best game of the world, that nothing could go bad, that Rockstar is like some kind of elves making ancient jewelry. I just want to see his completely breakdown if the game is shit.
Remind me of the “pre-review” of Cyberpunk 2077, where Tim Rogers qualify CP77 as the best game not even released yet.
The online mode might flop, since part of the success of 5’s online mode was that it was so generous and buggy at the start that the initial waves of online players became trillionaires in-game. This allowed subsequent waves to be preyed upon by Rockstar but also boosted by the old timers.
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It really would. Still hoping it’s good.
Even if its decent at release, its bound to be filled with bugs that wont be fixed properly because they layed off so many devs. Its gonna be a maintenance nightmare.
Timmy Turner you dumbass, just wish for it. Praying? Really?
God is dead because Timmy Turner killed him
Then whO WAS PHONE?
Nice username
No way
Please no, there’s not been a decent one in forever, and people just are so hyped
I think it will be. Why are they clamoring to get as much money up front as possible otherwise?
It will be. The fans of gtaiv and gtav were children when those games came out. Their brains and personalities were in utero basically.
Grown ass men in their 40s will play gtavi and see how silly and profoundly lame the GTAverse is.
Genz and gen a will be nothing except offended by everything in the game. I have no doubt they’re (rockstar) going to pander to the trans community to save a little face.
I’m certain the game will flop, especially because all their design time was proooobbbabbly, building the entire micro economy and microtransaction store that’s going to be the centerpiece of the franchise going forward.
Pbbbbbbhhht. Stinker incoming.
they’re (rockstar) going to pander to the trans community to save a little face.
All trailers so far have shown nothing but swaggering toxic male bravado, and an “equal” (but let’s be honest, she’s second fiddle) female partner who is far from androgenous.
I think GenZ will hate the lack of inclusivity, as I think Rockstar is targeting conservatives as their main audience
Since it’s an exaggerated mirror of society, it will have all elements of society. People analyze these things too much.
you’re probably right, but I have a feeling the social commentary side of Rockstar left when Dan Houser and Lazlo went, leaving what I suspect to just be the cruelty behind without the satire…
*Since it was an exaggerated…
The fans of gtaiv and gtav were children when those games came out. Their brains and personalities were in utero basically.
Based on what exactly? Because these games where played by a diverse range of players - of course, this included children below 12, but there where also teenagers and adults. Its insulting how you’re making such an over generalisation - essentially calling everyone “children”.
“God, please let Chip Skylark play at my birthday party…”
I feel like at this point it’s been so over hyped for so long it can only disappoint
Or just come out already so people can stop obsessing over it
