Thanks! (still up xD)

Pretty well. Work is kicking my butt as usual, but my cats and partner are keeping me sane. Not solving my insomnia tho (3:45am as I write this).

Bears don’t cheer as other bears attack you.

It’s literally antivaxxers, but for computer viruses.

It’s super awesome. One modicum of power shifts to consumers to control the products they buy, and the corporatists come running with their “think of the devs” arguments despite devs not being paid in royalties/residuals.

You’re dancing around and evading the core issue, even denying it. Your last two sentences can be considered a total lie. Tankies celebrate the holodomor, Mao’s cultural revolution, Pol Pot’s purges, etc. Pretending they don’t puts you in the same category of tankie as I would consider a mainstream “alt-righter” a nazi. Pretending you’re not monsters in public.

Cool story. That’s not my experience dealing with tankies. I’ve literally never once seen them “celebrate” the Holodomor. If in your mind anyone whose experience differs from yours is just a liar, I don’t think you’re going to have a very successful time in convincing people to see things your way.

And here’s a tankie equivalent to jewgasser, just so your pretension of ignorance doesn’t spread: ukrainianstarver

Which, to my point, I’ve never seen a tankie call themselves (or anything like it).

Also, you’re already moving the goalposts by translating tankie into “marxist-leninist”. Just like your alt-right counterparts use the word “patriot”.

"Tankie’ is literally a pejorative for (mostly online) Marxist-Leninists. They don’t call themselves tankies. Are you actually unaware of that? In what way was the goalpost moved?

Thanks for your post, I think it’s a great argument for defederation.

Well, we did, so you’re good to go!

I for one will not pretend I’m ok with celebrations of murder, even if those celebrations are being denied with someone pretending to be as decent as you.

And if I’d ever seen them “celebrating murder”, I’d agree with you. But I haven’t. I’ve seen them support the Cultural Revolution, sure, but they will dispute the deaths by famine, the executions of protesters, etc etc. They pretend that it was a nearly-bloodless social restructuring via mostly education and directed labor. Clearly your experience is different, and I don’t expect you to acquiesce to my experience over your own, but by the same token I’m not going to just take your word sight-unseen for something when you’re asking me to take action against someone based on it (but, as noted, the mods have, so luckily for you I don’t need to agree with you).

If the simple fact that my experience differs from yours makes you see me as malicious or “pretending” at decency, frankly I think that is very sad, and says more about you than it does about me.

Sadly, it seems few of us care about the distinction.

First off, are you asserting that tankies are fascist?

Yup.

Well, I don’t know what else to tell you other than “you’re wrong”. Fascism is an exclusively right-wing construct. It’s also not just some generic “suppressing dissent by force” that most centrists define it as, it has a very explicit set of features. If you’re not familiar with Umberto Eco’s “Ur-Fascism”, I’d encourage you to read it. Authoritarianism != Fascism.

Fascism, authoritism, single party rule, etc. are all symptoms of a decayed society and something that tankies generally want.

I agree about everything minus “fascism” (see above), which is why I disagree with Marxist-Leninism. But the assertion you previously made was that they wanted to destroy society, which is a far cry from listing symptoms of a “decayed” society which are ironically right in line with our current predicament, but certainly not one brought about by far-left political forces. Truly a brilliant example of the “people attributing to Socialism that which is actively happening under Capitalism” meme.

I love when tankies invent acronyms and words, it’s always so funny. I just picture them in Fedora’s with a smug look probably thinking, “aha, good sir, bet you’ve never heard that word before.” I’ll be honest, sometimes faking intellectualism can be an effective propaganda tool, it makes people believe you have authority on the subject.

Well considering I had written out the phrase in an earlier comment (in a comment thread you responded to), I didn’t think it was quite so unreasonable to think you might understand it, but I’m glad it gave you the chance to feel good by concocting some fantasy tankie strawman.

And honestly, I’m glad you pivoted to calling me a tankie. It really shows the dangers of the kind of echo chamber you want to construct, where everyone who disagrees with you is secretly the enemy in disguise. And unfortunately, y’all got your way, and the admins did de-federate from them, so I guess now instead of being called a secret capitalist by the tankies, I just have to look forward to being called a secret tankie by the likes of you.

Nazism and Tankies have echo chamber tendancies, bot infiltration tendencies, brigading, and most importantly are belief systems that are based on the destruction of society. Fascism is detrimental to society, and giving fascists a voice leads to the spread of fascism.

First off, are you asserting that tankies are fascist?

Secondly, what do you think about Marxist-Leninism relies on “the destruction of society”? Are you talking about revolutionary ideology in general?

When a community swarms and acts like a hive, like Lemmy.ml does, then it becomes really problematic. It uses group think to silence other ideas.

Well, they can’t silence you if you’re not posting in one of their communities, by definition, because they don’t have moderation capabilities outside of lemmy.ml. I have never seen a Beehaw post be “silenced” by tankies.

I’ve been around long enough to know not to fuck with propagandists that encourage others not to vote or otherwise usher in fascism.

Which is funny, because in my view the VBNMW propagandists are (and demonstrably have succeeded in) ushering in fascism by discouraging people from voting for anyone but the most milquetoast, do-nothing, two-steps-right-one-step-left candidates, and discouraging actual democracy where people make their own choices.

But you know, clearly it’s the tiny contingent of Lemmy tankies who ushered in Trump, not the mainstream media centrists like NYT with nation-wide reach, who shouted down and shamed anyone voting for Bernie instead of Biden, or anything…

If NATO kowtowed to his demands it would have also been significantly weakened.

I’m not quite sure what this is responding to either; my point was that disliking NATO because you view it as a capitalist project, and also disliking an authoritarian capitalist who wants to control it, are consistent beliefs.

That did not address my question. I don’t like Putin; he is attacking Ukraine. I don’t like Biden; he supplied Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. Neither of them are intrinsic to their respective ideologies.

Of course, theyre not consistent in their beliefs, because if they felt NATO was such a threat, then they would be celebrating Trump for doing more to hurt NATO than any other individual in NATO’s history.

This is a silly argument. Trump is not hurting NATO because he believes it’s a Western Imperialism power projection tool like they do, he’s hurting it because it did not kowtow to his demands. He is a capitalist authoritarian, and they’re anti-capitalist.

No, and my other comment below addressed this, so I’ll copy the relevant portions:

When you’re talking about toxicity, there are a couple different areas that manifests in written content. One is toxic behavior, i.e. how you convey your ideas, and another is what you say, i.e. the ideas themselves.

Moderating out toxic behavior is much easier, in that someone being actively rude or advocating direct harm or prejudice is often fairly cut-and-dry. Moderating out toxic beliefs is much harder, because that requires setting a baseline of what constitute a toxic belief in the first place (and even beyond that, an unacceptable to express toxic belief).

Nazism and other rightwing “belief systems” have harming others at the core of their structures. As misguided as it is, Marxist-Leninism doesn’t. I think that’s at least a clear enough line to draw in my mind for why they merit different treatment.

Your hypothetical kind of proves my point, even, because what hypothetical username would be the tankie equivalent of

?

One of the most annoying parts of dealing with tankies is their refusal to admit any of the USSR’s crimes, which is the dead opposite of Nazis who revel in the crimes of Hitler. One ideology (tankies/ MLs) considers the actions wrong, so they pretend they didn’t happen. The other ideology considers the actions right, so they flaunt them.

When you’re talking about toxicity, there are a couple different areas that manifests in written content. One is toxic behavior, i.e. how you convey your ideas, and another is what you say, i.e. the ideas themselves.

Moderating out toxic behavior is much easier, in that someone being actively rude or advocating direct harm or prejudice is often fairly cut-and-dry. Moderating out toxic beliefs is much harder, because that requires setting a baseline of what constitute a toxic belief in the first place (and even beyond that, an unacceptable to express toxic belief).

To me, neoliberalism is a toxic belief system that is either too feckless to oppose rightwing authoritarianism, or largely complicit in the desired outcomes without wanting to admit it. But I don’t want every neoliberal “centrist” banned from Beehaw, I want to (when politics does come up), actually point out the issues with their beliefs. Same for tankies; I have (as you can check my comments to see) had a lot of fun explaining how Lenin bastardized Marxism and how they’re just Statists who don’t like the name.

Nazism and other rightwing “belief systems” have harming others at the core of their structures. As misguided as it is, Marxist-Leninism doesn’t. I think that’s at least a clear enough line to draw in my mind for why they merit different treatment.

Look, I dislike tankies as much as the next anarchist, but I don’t know if lemmy.ml is bad enough to need defederation from. Once you learn their shtick, it’s easy to ignore their more dogmatic users. Part of “bee-ing nice” cannot just mean “build smaller and smaller fences until no one you think isn’t nice can be seen anymore”. We also have our own propaganda to deal with here, including the “vote blue no matter who” brigade that disappear the moment elections are over. You can block them yourself if you don’t want to see their posts, but my vote for defed’ing would be ‘no’.

All guys, especially guys who choose not to go into frats, know this. Frats have always been about rich or popular kids having a place to congregate that was partially shielded from administration, to be able to do stuff they otherwise couldn’t (often with the help of their alumni parents).

Average boomer contemplating their kids.

So in other words, the things they are wishing for are what kill you early.

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You mean you dont need your machine to tell some ad brokers to contact you about needing to buy more coffee soon?

Yes, he’s nuking it, but more importantly he’s looting it. He’s profiting off the destruction he’s sowing.

He’s been disappearing the money from selling Venezuelan oil. His kids are making billions off of defense contracts for counter drone systems for Iran. His big-tech donors are gifting him millions in exchange for gutting their oversight. He or his buddies have been insider trading on Kalshi. He’s literally scamming his own voters with cryptocurrency and bullshit IPOs.

Trump is not an intelligent man, but he’s a wily man who’s been very good at stealing money all his life. I think there’s an instinct to treat him as a bumbling doddard instead of an evil bastard, but make no mistake he knows what he’s doing.